Athlete Profile: Jeffrey Leonard

May 27, 2009 5:00 PM

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Jeffrey Leonard

Age: 33
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 235

Date of Birth 9-4-75
Place of Birth Walnut Creek CA
Started CrossFit Dec 08

Lives In Pleasant Hill CA

Fran 2:51

Deadlift: 475
Press: 225
Back Squat: 455
Snatch: 225
Clean and Jerk: 300
Max pull-ups: 30

Favorite WOD: Isabel
Favorite Lift: Clean
Least Favorite WOD: Anything Long
Least Favorite Lift: Pull-ups

2009 NorCal Qualifiers Finish: 1st

54 comments on this entry.

May 16, 2009 11:34 AM

I had the honor of judging Jeff's Overhead Squats on the top of the long loop. Wow. What an animal. I'm putting my money on him for top 3 in Aromas!

2. rareid2 wrote...

May 16, 2009 3:26 PM

Gotta root for a guy whose PR's aren't eye popping like some of the other guys previously featured but whose heart and never quit attitude obviously more than make up for it. Good luck Jeff.

3. Filer wrote...

May 17, 2009 11:06 AM

300 clean and jerk seems really eye popping to me, that moving weight

4. rareid2 replied to comment from Filer...

May 17, 2009 6:26 PM

I did not mean that as a slight. I was simply comparing his PRs, at his size, to some of the 170-180 pounders. Either way, the guy obviously has that "other" gear to dig down deep. Nothing but respect for the guy.

5. Filer wrote...

May 18, 2009 1:47 PM

No bro wasn't getting on your case, I was just saying that's a crazy c&j. I know what you you were saying

6. Kizzee wrote...

May 18, 2009 7:32 PM

I hope this guy does well at the games... So far I haven't seen a great 6'+ crossfitter and I need a 6'3" crossfitter to follow (im 6' 4 1/2").. Glad to see he hates pullups as much as I do lol..

7. Franklin O wrote...

May 19, 2009 10:53 PM

2:51 Fran at 6'3" 235# is eye popping! good luck Jeff!

8. ryan wrote...

May 20, 2009 12:47 PM

Watching Jeff's performance at the NorCal regionals was nothing short of awesome. After the first workout, I was thinking "Impressive, but that workout clearly favored a big guy. Can he do muscle-ups?" At the second workout I got my answer: "Yes he can!" I am glad to have him representing our region.

9. GregD wrote...

May 20, 2009 1:47 PM

This dude is a freak! I'm pulling for one of the taller guys to take the title this year.

2:51 for Fran...that is a power output of 289ft-lbs/sec. Compare that to Speal, who has a 2:04 Fran, but is moving less weight a shorter distance. Speal's converts to a power output of 248ft-lbs/sec. Amazing.

10. rareid2 replied to comment from GregD...

May 20, 2009 5:38 PM

Just wondering how you know the power output when you may not know the distance the weight is traveled (or do we have measurements on both guys from front squat position to overhead position). Going by each person's height is not equal to the distance b/c the bar does not travel that distance each rep.

11. GregD replied to comment from rareid2...

May 22, 2009 8:16 AM

Check out the Work & Power Output Calculator from www.performancemenu.com:
http://www.performancemenu.com/resources/powerOutput.php

It allows you to enter the athlete's height/weight/time. The measurements they used in the calculator are approximate, but it's the best method to measure power output that I've seen.

If you were to ask me, this is how The Games should be judged, not simply by time. Judging by time as the only criteria doesn't take into account all of the components of power output and certainly favors the smaller and lighter atlete. You just don't see many qualifiers over six feet tall and 200 pounds. I realize there are a few events (ie The CF Total and rowing distances) that benefit larger athletes, but for the most part, taller/heavier athletes have to move more weight further.

12. Jack wrote...

May 27, 2009 7:51 PM

Greg, if you judge based on power output you might as well put people in weight classes.

I think it is interesting that the guy only started crossfit a few months ago. It kind of defeats the assumption that the winner of the crossfit games is the fittest person in the world.

13. GregD wrote...

May 28, 2009 6:37 AM

Hey Jack,

If you contend that switching to power output as criteria would require weight classes, then why not divide athletes into height classes with the current system of judging based on time?

14. Adam wrote...

May 28, 2009 6:47 AM

I think Jack makes a great point. I think it is laughable that this is a competition for the "fittest athlete in the world"...this competition determines the fittest CROSSFIT athlete over a two day period in a competition that features representation from around the world. There needs to be some dose of reality here...but it is great marketing thats for sure.

15. Spider Chick wrote...

May 28, 2009 6:51 AM

What an astonishingly beautiful man... not many like him on this earth.

16. Ralph Hicks replied to comment from Adam...

May 28, 2009 7:32 AM

I think they are working toward "Fittest Man in the World".

The concept is that "Fittest" isn't judged by a distance or a weight, but everything.

Everyone knows the winner probably isn't "actually" the fittest person in the world.

I think most people who have trained in this manner would agree that most if not all people should workout similar to this and in time it will be a huge competition and eventually something that could be part of the olympics.

As far as the whole big guy little guy thing, last time I was in a fight nobody was offering myself or the big guy any power output tables, it was last man standing.

Hopefully the setup will make it even for big and small.

Yeah a big guy has to go further, but 155lbs for a Spealer is a crap ton of weight even if he were only 4 feet tall.

It is what it is though, everyone has an oppinion and we all know nothing is perfect.

17. Shane S wrote...

May 28, 2009 9:02 AM

What does when he started CF have to do with whether or not he is the fittest man around? I don't think we have to assume that the fittest man alive is necessarily going to be a hardcore Crossfitter.

18. GregD replied to comment from Ralph Hicks...

May 28, 2009 10:14 AM

Ralph - In your fight, I doubt there was a stop watch either, or bumper plates or kettle bells for that matter. My point being, I don't think a CF MetCon is comparable to a fight in terms of how to determine a winner. Glassman said in CFJ Article "Fooling Around With Fran", "...power (intensity) is fundamental to the CrossFit creed." Power can be altered in a number of ways, but in a WOD where everything is constant except for the size of the athletes, why not attempt to level the playing field? The smaller athlete has the ability to become as incredibly strong as Spealler, but the taller athlete cannot make himself any shorter.

19. Ralph Hicks replied to comment from GregD...

May 28, 2009 11:04 AM

It could be done, but the variables seem confusing (for a normal workout) and the taller guy has more room to put on weight over the smaller guy so....

30 155lb squat clean and press/jerk, is that easier for Spealler or Leonard?

Leonard goes further, but that is a lot of weight for Spealler.

People have different length legs, arms, and upper body so....

I totally get your point, but I think it ends up being one of those PC things. Maybe in the future they'll have an overall winner, age winner, size winner, etc.

I love to workout, but I hate math, so for me, just give me the exercise, reps and weight.

If I don't win then I'll work harder to win.

20. ken c replied to comment from Adam...

May 28, 2009 12:21 PM

well adam since you brought it up. while you're sitting there laughing, who's fitter?

21. GregD replied to comment from Ralph Hicks...

May 28, 2009 12:46 PM

Ralph,

The 155# clean/jerk would definitely favor Leonard, but Fran would favor Splealler. That's exactly why measuring power is the way to go. It just depends so much on the draw of the workouts.

I agree, eventually there will probably be different classes for age, weight, etc. This is only the 3rd CF Games and it's growing exponentially, imagine ten or fifteen years from now.

22. Justin Riley wrote...

May 28, 2009 5:37 PM

Adam - The definition of fitness was very vague until Coach came along and decided to give it some meaning. We in CrossFit now define fitness as work capacity and ability in the 10 general physical skills. The CrossFit program is designed to maximize these goals and to achieve our standing definition of fitness. It is unlikely that any other type of specialized athlete has trained in a way that they could achieve this type of fitness. There very well may be some amazing talented Ironman Triathelete out there that possesses the genetics to be more fit than Jason Kahlipa, but his specializing in training has left holes in his power output ability across broad time and modal domains. He probably also is not well rounded in the 10 general skills. CrossFit WODs are a test of what WE define as fitness. So I am sticking by the idea that the winner of the games has the right to say they are the fittest on the planet. They are at very least the fittest on that day out of those who competed. It is very unlikely that someone who does not do CrossFit could come out and even do well in a CrossFit event. Since we are training for the type of fitness that Coach Glassman defined (manly because nobody else had) it is hard to believe that someone with a different training goal could do what a top CrossFit athlete can do. If the fittest man alive is not a hardcore crossfitter, he is training very similarly to how we train in CrossFit. If he is not, then there is no way for him to compete in our style of fitness.

To add to the power output argument, I would say that if a WOD was to be judged on raw power output it would only be fair to do so by weight class. A bigger person has a bigger engine and should be able to do more work, weather it be against themself or a barbell or a pile of rocks. I do feel it would be unfair to say that Speal is less fit than Josh Everett based on 30 reps squat clean 155 alone. Everett has a much bigger motor than Speal, so his power output in terms of lifting is going to be much higher, but he will not be able to do burpees or pull ups at the rate of Speal. Everett might only have to do 65 pull ups in 3 minutes to have the same power output as Speal doing 100 in 3 minutes. Obviously Speal wins the pull up contest. On the other hand Speal will never do Isabel in 1:11, but if you gave him a weight relative to his BW he would probably be right there. In my opinion, the games and qualifier events have been well balanced in terms of modalities that favor both big and small athletes. Keeping the events well rounded solves any problems of weight class, but as someone already said, it is not possible to make the competition perfectly fair. Keep it constantly varied and over time, the best and most fit athletes will emerge.

As for the Olympics, that would be sweet, but it is unlikely that a constantly varied sport is going to be accepted into the Olympics. They require way too much structure for CrossFit competitions as they are now to ever be considered.

23. Bruce wrote...

May 28, 2009 6:28 PM

"...it is hard to believe that someone with a different training goal could do what a top CrossFit athlete can do."

This is quite simply retarded. First of all, Jeff was only doing CrossFit for a couple months(?) before the qualifiers, yet he took 1st. Connect the dots. Josh Everett continually dominates at the Games, yet from his description does not strictly follow Crossfit either. There are a multitude of professional athletes that if, given say a month or so to figure out how the wod's work and then develop a strong cadence, would smoke everyone at the games. Crossfit was a great program until it started trying to convince a bunch of 9-5 working internet users that they were the epitome of fitness on the planet. Small dose of reality would go a long way.

24. Steve wrote...

May 28, 2009 6:43 PM

Bruce, good point. Crossfit is a good way to work out but the idea that you have to do Crossfit to achieve a high level of fitness is ludicrous. The notion that Crossfit is a sport is also silly. Competition and sport are not the same thing. You can complete in staring without blinking, that doesn't make it a sport. Sports require skill and here we have someone who is basically off the street, walking in and cleaning house. His achievement under cuts the whole purpose of the Crossfit games.

Bravo

25. Kizzee wrote...

May 28, 2009 7:29 PM

Why does it say he started in Dec 2008? One of the videos posted i believe on May 4th says he started about a year ago...

May 28, 2009 7:43 PM

Steve, although I understand what you are attempting to point out there are some fundamental flaws you are not addressing. Calling Jeffrey someone who "is basically walking in off the street" is an absurd statement as well. Regardless of how long he has been Crossfitting for, he quite obviously has a long history of functional exercise. As a firefighter it is, as he said, necessary for him to maintain peak physical condition. Although Crossfit may change the manner in which he were to perform his lifts you can be quite sure he has been performing these same fundamental movements for years, as evidenced by a 300 pound clean and jerk. So, to suggest there is a lack of skill involved when we see phenomenal performances such as snatching 135 pounds in 1:11 for 30 reps, or to perform 30 155 pound clean and jerks in 2:46 all with good form is also absurd.

To anyone else it may concern, many of the best Crossfitters do come from a variety of backgrounds that have helped to create the foundations of their fitness(OPT:strongman/Everett:Weightlifting/Khalipa:Globogym). However, I think it is universally agreeable they would not be able to perform the prescribed workouts as their former selves the way they do now. I have put some critical thought into the matter and believe that under Greg Glassman's definition of fitness this is the fittest man on the planet. There is an offer of $5000, which still stands, (if I am correct) to any man who can beat Jason Khalipa's times from the 2008 games under the same conditions he competed in. I have not yet thougth of a person from any one discipline of fitness who could do that, but would be happy to learn of one. I believe a purist olympic weightlifter, triathalete, runner, gymnast or strongman would have weaknesses exposed and not be able to complete the events faster than Khalipa. For this very reason, Glassman sought to create a program which would create a universally competent athlete. Just my thoughts.

-Tyler

27. Steve wrote...

May 28, 2009 7:50 PM

Tyler, not sure what point you are trying to make. You're all over the place.

Obviously the guy is in great shape and my point is that he achieved that without doing crossfit. If you think he is unique, you are wrong. There are tons of people out there who are at least as fit as he is who never heard of crossfit. Claiming that the winner of the crossfit games is the "fittest person in the world" is a bit of a stretch.

May 28, 2009 8:03 PM

Ok, straight to the point. Show or propose to the Crossfit community some person from another discipline of fitness who could beat Khalipa's times from last year. There may well be such a person, but as of now all observable evidence says Khalipa is the man who could complete the prescribed workouts faster than any other person on the planet. Until a person comes up who can beat the times, saying anything else is an assumption and nothing more. Under Glassman's definition, the fittest man is Jason Khalipa, currently.

P.S. I know very well there are countless firebreathers out there with incredible potential, though I maintain they could not out perform Khalipa under their current training.

29. Justin Riley wrote...

May 28, 2009 8:28 PM

Tyler, you are on the money. Jeff has been successfully competing in Fire Fighter Combat Challenge which is a similar fitness competition in time domain and power output. He has years of lifting experience. He has been training in a "CrossFit-like modality" for a long time. He is no guy off the streets. His training goals has been along the same lines as CrossFit long before he started CrossFit.

You do not need to do CrossFit to achieve a high level of fintess, but I still argue that unless you can define fitness another way than Coach has, you can forget trying to argue that there are more fit athletes out there. If they were out there they would be stepping forward, and the ones you see stepping forward who are immediately successful have experience in intense conditioning and functional movement. Even these athletes get more fit than they were by training in a CrossFit modality. That's why Josh Everett mixes CrossFit into his training. A great athlete who does train functional movements at high intensity simply will lack fitness compared to an equally good athlete who CrossFits.

CrossFit plain and simply will take anyone to a higher fitness level than they are currently at. Argue with that.
If you don't believe this then come out and compete and win without training functional movement at high intensity. Next we will all look to you to see how we should be training.

Steve, the reason the CrossFit athlete is the fittest person is that they possess the most well rounded proficiency in the 10 general physical skills and are capable of high power output across broad time and modal domains. Its all about the hopper version of fitness. I would bet every penny I have against any non crossfit athlete that Jason Kahlipa would whoop the shit out of them in any physical challenge that neither athlete had ever performed, time and time again.

30. Steve wrote...

May 28, 2009 8:46 PM

"He has been training in a "CrossFit-like modality" for a long time."

LMFAO, so everything is Crossfit. I get it.

He is a guy off the street. He is a fit guy off the street but he is a guy off the street. Tough pill for the community to swallow but it's a fact.

So far as the 5k being offered, publicize the offer and I'm sure you'll have no problem getting some takers. The fact that there have been no takers means it hasn't been publicized sufficiently.

31. Kizzee wrote...

May 28, 2009 8:49 PM

Hes really not a "guy off the street." According to the video posted on may 4th... they asked him when he started CF.... He said about a year ago. A year of CF with a long background in working out can go a long way.

May 28, 2009 9:10 PM

Steve, until you can otherwise back up any claims of superior fitness, under the Glassman definition, your words hold no sway. The onus is on you to support what you say, so go ahead and prove it. It is as simple as that.

33. Bruce wrote...

May 28, 2009 10:03 PM

You people are truly daft. This is so simple, that I fail to understand how you are not getting it. Let's say that 20 guys from the local McDonalds decide that they are going to have a foot race out back. Whoever wins, they say, is OBVIOUSLY the fastest man on the planet!!1!!1!! Having a ridiculously small sample size does not prove jack. You want to know why no other elite athletes are turning in tapes that beat Khalipa's times for a whole whooping 5 grand? Oh..man...I don't know...maybe because they're training for their sport! Crazy to think that The entire entire NFL is not canceling practices so they can videotape there workouts in the hope of meetings Glassmans challange. This is just stupid. Do you really think the whole world is aware of any such challange, nor would really care if they heard?

For the people claiming that it makes a difference whether Jeff was doing crossfit for 4 months or a year, wake up. You really think even 1 year is enough to mold your entire athletic shape? Last time I checked, elite athletes trained fr their whole lives.

It's astounding that some of you actually believe that "functional movements at high intenstiy" is some sort of novel idea created by crossfit. Im assuming Crossfit also created the pullup?

34. Ross wrote...

May 28, 2009 10:41 PM

You are correct, it is so very simple. Aside from the "functional movements at high intensity" CrossFit is not a constant. It's like Glassman said, when something comes up that is new or better or what ever it may be, it will most likely become incorporated into CrossFit. That is the beauty of it, it is not a peice of equipment better than the next for it's features, it is an ever changing model constantly being tested and experimented on to find where there is room for improvement. For now it appears it is the best out there, and will continue to be as anything beneficial will be tested and included or disregarded. The reason for this is that the business is not CrossFit as a brand, the business is fitness.

35. Bruce wrote...

May 29, 2009 1:34 AM

Ross, thank you for that useless post. Go back and read the comments again, then submit a reasonable argument. Plenty of athletes have come in and dominated at crossfit, even though they've only done the wod's for a short time span. Years build athleticism, not months. You're foolish idea that no other program in the world is building better fitness for some people is ridiculous. Being a sheep will get you nowhere in life.

36. rareid2 replied to comment from Bruce...

May 29, 2009 4:08 AM

It's amazing that some of the members of this community feel that Crossfit is the only path to elite fitness. I'm sure Ross Enamiat could hold his own at the games even without doing a "Crossfit" WOD. Hard work was not invented by Crossfit and people have been working hard for a lot longer than Crossfit has been around. But simply saying that the Crossfit games produce the "fittest" man in the world is probably not accurate. Heck, you can't actually even argue that the qualifiers produced the fittest contestants with some qualifiers being two events on the first day and others having three events on the first day, and WODs being completely random.

37. GregD replied to comment from Justin Riley...

May 29, 2009 7:25 AM

Justin,

I agree that using power output would have to result in weight classes. But, by using the Games' current judging criteria of time, with the exception of a CF Total or 1RM lift, shouldn't there then be height classes?

I could sit here and list the exercises ad nauseam that favor the shorter athlete if time is the only criteria. Like I said in a previous post, the 5'5" athlete has the ability to get stronger, but the 6'5" athlete cannot become any shorter.

Power = (force x distance)/time, where (F x D = work). Time is only a portion of the power formula. Until the height and weight of the athlete is considered in that formula, the field is not level. The load on the bar may be equal for all competitors, but that alone does not determine the work portion of the formula. We're still missing distance!

This is such a simple concept and I cannot beleive it is not a part of the CF Games.

38. GregD replied to comment from Bruce...

May 29, 2009 7:35 AM

The winner of the 2009 CF Games will be the fittest athlete to compete in those games, on that given two-day span, with those particular workouts. No more, no less.

Put Usain Bolt (WR Holder in 100m and 200m) in a CF gym for 2 weeks to gain familiarity with the WODs, then put them in the middle of the CF Games in Aromas. Who's going to win, Usain Bolt or Khalipa/Everett/Spealler?

39. Craig B replied to comment from Bruce...

May 29, 2009 7:36 AM

Bruce -

A perfect argument for your point is Jason Kalipha. At the time Jason won the 08 Games he had only been doing Crossfit for 6 months. Given that guys he beat were doing Crossfit for years prior(Pat Barber, Speal, OPT, Jeff Tincher, etc) it's obvious that he already had incredible athleticism from his prior regimen.

40. Justin Riley wrote...

May 29, 2009 7:45 AM

Greg, I see what you're saying. More distance = more work. I would say that generally a taller person is going to weigh more, so should have to do more work for things to be fair. There is always the case of the really tall skinny athlete, who would probably be a better swimmer than a weight lifter. It just is not possible to completely level the playing field for all. Back in the "bench press is king days" we used to debate the limb length discussion all the time. Tall guys wine that they have to move the bar further and do more work which is true. I argue that taller athletes also have greater mechanical advantage over their joints because the muscle inserts farther from the joint. They can produce more torque the working joint. So I have always felt that body weight is the most fair way to compare different athletes.

As for Steve and Bruce, you guys are idiots. If you are such CrossFit haters then why do you spend your time making comments on this site. Oh let me guess, because you are losing your best and smartest athletes to a fitness modality that you haven't taken the time to understand. Or because you resent the fact that this training is hard for you and because you suck at it you want to criticize it. Read the CrossFit journal then come back to comment when you have something intelligent and educated to say. You sound like a couple of NSCA CSCS high school football coaches. You are probably the same guys that teach your athletes to power curl with a rounded spine. Tell them good job and put some more on there bud.
You are arguing ideas that you have not defined. CrossFit and its goals are clearly defined and proven. I want you to come out to my gym and bring yourself and your best athletes to get your asses kicked by a "bunch of 9-5 internet surfers who are the epitome of fitness." It would happen, I guarantee it.

41. Craig B replied to comment from GregD...

May 29, 2009 7:48 AM

GregD,

How do body weight exercise favor the smaller lighter athlete? We still have to move 100 percent of our body weight over the same limitations taller athletes do. Larger bodied athletes should have an equal muscle to mass ratio to assist with moving their weight.

Taller heavier athletes are not moving more weight further, they are moving equal weight to the smaller athlete given physical imitations. I have not found a way to add 185lbs of muscle on my 155lb frame to assist me in moving that 155lbs. If Jeff Leonard was competing against another 6'3" 235lb athlete who has a 60" reach while Jeff has a 74" reach then you would have an argument but comparing Jeff to Speal is just ridiculous.

I also noticed you conveniently left out the fact that a 95lb thruster is only 40 percent of Jeff's BW for that exercise while Speal is lifting 70% of his bodyweight, which is far more taxing on the body.

You are also incorrect that judging by time as the only criteria doesn't take into account all of the components of power output and certainly favors the smaller and lighter athlete. If this was the case Speal would have won last year. I would have loved to see how Kalipa, Everett, or any of the other bigger Crossfitters would have fared if they had to perform Grace at 114 percent of their BW like Speal had to for the last event.

I take nothing away for Jeff or any of the other amazing athletes I listed I just get sick of hearing how us little guys have it easier.

42. Craig B replied to comment from GregD...

May 29, 2009 8:14 AM

GregD

Just looking at the numbers your theory doesn't hold that the shorter athlete is favored.

Give all the competitors that are currently qualified for the games the breakout is as follows:

Over 180lbs: 34 athletes
Under 180lbs: 20 athletes

* These numbers do not include athlete profiles currently not listed.

43. rareid2 replied to comment from Craig B...

May 29, 2009 10:12 AM

But how do you know that the athletes under 180lbs were simply not good enough and would not beat someone under 150lbs.

44. GregD replied to comment from Craig B...

May 29, 2009 10:34 AM

Craig B-

Bodyweight exercises favor the shorter/lighter athlete in that there is less weight to move over shorter distances. Again, look at the Power formula, this formula is applied to everything and everyone, it is a law of nature and cannot be avoided. In your second paragraph, you said "...Taller heavier athletes are not moving more weight further..." This statement is absolutely incorrect as demonstrated by the laws of physics: Force x Distance = Work. A HSPU, for example, for a 5'5" 160# athlete creates less work than a 6'5" 225# athlete. The bigger guy is indeed moving more weight (225# versus 160#) further (arm length of tall guy versus arm lentgh of short guy). While I agree that a 95# barbell is more difficult for Spealler than Leonard, the percentage of the barbell weight has nothing to do with the Power formula. I think you're missing my point and have a case of Napoleon Complex.

You also stated that you have not found a way to add 185# of muscle on your 155# frame to assist me in moving that 155#. To start, adding 185# to your frame would not result in you moving a 155# frame, it would result in you moving a 340# frame. This sounds familiar, heavier body would result in you creating more work! Secondly, if you can't add 185# to your frame, how do you expect a 6'5" athlete to reduce his height? The smaller guy can at least attempt to become as strong as Spealler.

As for your second comment, 180# does not meet my definition of "large". Move that up to 6 feet 200#, and the results shift dramatically to, and I'm going off of memory here, about 4 qualifiers.

May 29, 2009 10:57 AM

steve... if you show me a person who can:
clean and jerk 275
deadlift 485
squat 365
press 230
and at the same time do
35+_consecutive pullups
30 muscle ups in under 5 mins
20 +legit handstand pushups
and also at the same time
run a sub 40 min 10k
run a sub 20 min 5 k
row a sub 1:20 500m
run a 5 min mile
THEN THAT PERSON can possibly lay claim that they are close to as fit as jason. Then they also have to display capacity for extreme workouts like jason. its fitness across broad time and modal domains. hes in the 90th percentile in EVERYTHING that we do that involves GENERAL PHYSICAL SKILLS, STRENGTH, and CAPACITY for DIFFERENT modal domains. jason has the best general physical preparedness in the world. i would stake my life on that. thats what "fitness" is to a crossfitter. im sure there are better athletes out there, but being able to be damn good at so many different aspects of fitness, makes him the fittest person on earth.

May 29, 2009 11:00 AM

greg, i may be wrong, but im pretty sure kahlipa started crossfit in dec of 06.

May 29, 2009 12:17 PM

nope... i was wrong, jan 07. he's definately a freak. but if you ask him, he will tell you that hes a lot more freakish now than he was then. same thing with jeff, he's a freak. plain and simple, but after a year or more of this he will be capable of super hero shit.

48. Tom wrote...

May 29, 2009 2:02 PM

Regarding using power output as the metric for the Games:

Tony Budding talked about this in a CF Radio episode, the one about the new "3D" definition of health and fitness. Basically, power output is an excellent guiding principal in designing workouts, and in measuring improvements over time for ONE INDIVIDUAL. But maximizing power output is not the be all and end-all of a CF workout. For example, after day 1 of the 2008 CF Games, Speal had done the 1st day's WODs faster than Jason Khalipa. Khalipa's power output was probably higher though, because he outweighs Speal by about 70 lbs. But Speal still got the work done faster for those WODs, which is what it boils down to in competition/sport/life, etc.

And regarding the "fittest man on the planet" stuff, if we're going to be picky about it then no competition in the world can absolutely claim that they've determined the best in anything, because as far as I know of there has never been an athletic competition where every human participated. Even in the Olympics there could always be some guy out in the middle of nowhere who could smoke Usain Bolt in the 100m, but didn't compete. So the argument about there being too small a "sample size" isn't very sound. However, the CF games seems to be the only competition on earth where a measurable definition of fitness is established, events are determined to test athletes' ability against that definition, and a large competition is held to determine the winner. Therefore, I'd say the winner of the CF games has as much a right as anyone to say they're the "fittest man/woman alive". As the scope of the competition increases, like it has at an incredible rate in just 3 years, that claim will become more indisputable.

49. Craig B replied to comment from GregD...

May 29, 2009 4:34 PM

GregD -

WOW! You might want to get a dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. You are the one who started this debated crying about how hard it is for bigger guys to do bodyweight exercises and changing the scoring to compensate for power generated so larger athletes have an advantage, yet I'm the one with a complex?

You completely missed my point about my frame carrying 185lbs. I do not want extra size my point is no matter what your BW you should be able to move that weight. It's not like smaller guys have found a way to cheat this movement. BW exercises are a true test of one's strength. If you want to see an example of a large athlete move his BW google Kostantin Konstantinov 55 chin-ups. Kostantin has obviously taken the time to build this strength, maybe you should push away from the keyboard and stop plugging numbers into a flawed power calculator that does not compensate for intangibles and unknown variables and get in the gym and follow your own advice and get stronger.

180 may not be your definition of large but it certainly does not qualify as a small athlete.

50. Jack wrote...

May 29, 2009 7:27 PM

"there has never been an athletic competition where every human participated."

Chance of finding someone who didn't complete in the Olympics but who can swim faster than Phelps is zero. Chance of finding someone who can run faster than Bolt but didn't complete in the Olympics is close to zero. However, the chance of finding a non-Xfitter who can perform a WOD faster than the winner of 2008 Xfit games is pretty high. You know this to be true. Let's stop pretending the fittest person in the world is the winner of the Xfit games.

51. Tom wrote...

May 29, 2009 10:45 PM

I wasn't trying to say with that example that you'd actually be likely to find someone who can out sprint Usain Bolt. My point is that given that Crossfit is the only organization I know of to measurably precisely define fitness, and the CF Games are the only event to test athletes for "fitness" as it was defined, then the winner of the CF games has as much a right as anyone to claim they are the fittest. The amount of participation isn't really the point, it's that the CF Games is the only competition I know of capable of measuring and comparing competitors' fitness

52. GregD replied to comment from Tom...

May 31, 2009 5:27 PM

Tom

I heard the CF Radio episode with Tony Budding, that's actually what got me thinking about all of this. I disagree with him. Here is the simplest way to think about this, I don't know how else to describe it:

Both tall/heavy athletes and short/light athletes experience benefits and drawbacks from using Power Output as judging criteria. The larger athlete benefits by his/her ability to produce more work (force x distance) because of a longer and heavier body. But, the larger athlete will take longer to complete the work, creating a decrease in overall Power Output. The smaller athlete cannot produce as much work as the larger athlete, but has the ability to complete the work quicker due to less bodyweight and shorter limbs, height, etc.

Like I have said before, using time as the only criteria is leaving out a large portion of what is being done in the WOD...WORK. If there is another way that levels the playing field in such a manner, please let me know.


July 7, 2009 7:36 PM

nobody left to read this but...I'm betting that Adrian Petersen or Darelle Revis or several other NFL athletes could/would outperform Crossfit athletes once they had learned technical disciplines that they may not know, eg ring dips, muscle ups, HSPU.

An interesting guy to ask would be Josh Everett, who is a strength coach at Cal. Surely he would come into contact with outstanding athletes as part of his job

54. j wrote...

July 9, 2009 8:43 AM

cal is uc berkeley.
jeff works at UCR.
UCR is uc riverside.
big difference.