The Veterans Debate - Part Three

November 1, 2009 8:00 AM

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Games09FreddyC_ACupOHS.jpgJolie relives this years' triplet, Freddy gets sentimental while Khalipa and Everett revisit their showdown in the '08 Games, ("it was like blood in the water for a shark..."). Then they set their gaze for next year. In this final installment of The Veterans Debate, an all star foursome revisit some of their favorite moments from Games past, and ponder what future games what look like.

Josh Everett started the final event of the '08 Games a full minute behind Chris Spealler, with Khalipa back further still (1:23). They revisit the drama and build up to the final event. "I didn't even know who this guys was," says Josh pointing towards Khalipa, "He was some dopey kid in the back room warming up...so things didn't end up how I thought."

Jason Khalipa went into the 2008 Games completely unknown to the CrossFit world. The evening before the final event, his coach told him he would be lucky to land in the top three. "Shoot for top three Jason, I mean, Josh Everett is here..." Two minutes and 48 seconds after the final event began, Jason was the '08 Games champion.

Veterans Debate P3 ... [wmv] [mov]

14 comments on this entry.

1. cam birtwell wrote...

November 1, 2009 2:22 PM

Freddy, just remember man, you ARE a beast. I like the underdog tactics though ;) I like that idea of an obstacle course, there has to be something unpredictable/random about the events I think to keep it interesting. Obstacle courses take "linear - dominant" athletes and force them to use productive application of force in non-linear and reactive activities - it would be really interesting to see what came out in the wash with that one!!

2. sevan wrote...

November 1, 2009 7:36 PM

Yeah Freddy,

You're a beast!

3. jnel wrote...

November 2, 2009 8:12 AM

I think next years games should include workouts that include max rep oriented goals, whether it be in a specified time domain or not. Or workouts where the weight used is determined by the competitors body weight. Maybe an event that was max rep overhead squat at bodyweight or something similar.

4. Carter Morrison wrote...

November 2, 2009 4:28 PM

The 2009 games were awesome with the exception of DL(problematic scoring). The chipper should remain a staple in some form. Would an obstacle course be in addition to the run, I dont know that it has the potential to test endurance capacity of the current run.

5. Tom wrote...

November 2, 2009 7:31 PM

Does anyone know when Sectionals/Regionals are?.... Beuller? Beuller?

6. cam birtwell wrote...

November 2, 2009 11:53 PM

Hi Carter,

I figure an obstacle course in the range of about 2-3 minutes (or even up to 4/5) for completion would be sweet and really test the capacity of anaerobic lactic. This could be an event in addition to a longer run, similar to how the hill "sprint" was included even with the 7k in there.

That being said, could you imagine a 30 min obstacle course through valleys and rope bridges and crawl tunnels? Awesome.

7. Tom wrote...

November 3, 2009 1:23 AM

Great ideas for next Games and loved the interview. I think the obstacle course would be outstanding. Freddy's benchmark idea would make for a very good format (at least for one of the days) to level the field and emphasize why those WOD's are benchmarks and demonstrate elite fitness. A max rep WOD with a bodyweight lift should be a "must for next year!

8. ken c wrote...

November 3, 2009 7:00 AM

like the idea of the obstacle course incorporating the hill somehow. that would be a great test of fitness. like jason's idea of a chipper workout staying in the games. incorporating many crossfit skills in one workout is necessary and entertaining.

don't like the benchmark wods being in the games. maybe one but not a whole competition of them. the athletes know the exact stimulas of those workouts. i think work capacity is better tested by new and creative combinations of movement that we're not used to. the athletes should have to strategize to different workouts in a competition.

don't like max lifts of a bodyweight anything because strength is not a linear progression. a 140lb. guy doing max overhead squats is not the same as a 225lb. guy doing the same thing. i believe a better way to imcorporate strength movements would be something like in the affiliate competition where they did 3rm overhead squat and 3 sets of max pull ups. linking a brute strength move with a bodyweight or skill move (e.g. max deadlift and muscle ups in a given time or something like that.)

9. penty wrote...

November 3, 2009 8:08 AM

Both the ".wmv" link is also a .mov.

10. Dach replied to comment from penty...

November 3, 2009 9:08 AM

Yeah, I can't pull up the link for Windows. I guess I need a MAC to view this one. That will teach me.

11. jnel wrote...

November 4, 2009 1:13 PM

kenc-
you are right when you say that that a 140 pound man doing overhead squats at bodyweight is not the same thing as a 225 pund man doing the same movement at his bodyweight, but neither is it the same thing if they both ran 5k. Obviously one man is moving more weight.

12. Arlo wrote...

November 5, 2009 2:07 PM

Obstacle course has my vote. Something like the "Boot Camp Challenge" at MRCD San Diego. It would be a longer event, but it would also be more challenging and much more entertaining for the spectators.

13. Aussie wrote...

November 5, 2009 10:44 PM

Strength is a clear and necessary domain to include in the Games. On the 1RM, a clear solution is to ratio any 1RM # to bodyweight and use the result as the scale that determines outcomes. This makes "relative strength" the measure of the winner - so, Rob O doing a 600lb DL at 195lb BW (3.07 ratio) will be similarly impressive as Chris S doing a 415lb DL @ 135lb BW. The incentive to do everything they can to pull a new PR remains clear to the athletes.

Other than an obstacle course, the event that would be an interesting challenge is a steeplechase - its typically 3km. For those that have never completed one, go ahead and find a track and give it a go before asking yourself if you think it hasn't tested a great many of the 10 domains of fitness. It's a brutal and humbling event.

14. JH wrote...

November 9, 2009 2:41 PM

If CrossFit starts to use bodyweight calculations in any max lifts then there needs to be weight classes created as all bodyweight movements are to the advantage of the lighter person.

I liked the programming at the games, a 7km hill run followed by a max Deadlift was fair and the overall scores showed this. A 165lb runner has an advantage on the run but the 225lb guy can make some ground up on the deadlift.

To summarize keep all weight classes and bodyweight calculations should be out but instead program the proper mix of heavy lifting and bodyweight workouts and we will continue to find the overall fittest CrossFit Champion