WOD 7: The Field Is Narrowed

July 12, 2009 1:18 PM

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You knew the bottleneck was coming.

The CrossFit Games don't have much to offer the incomplete athlete, and parallette handstand push-ups (head to a stack of bumper plates) removed many athletes from contention for the overall crown.

WOD 3: as many rounds as possible in eight minutes of four handstand push-ups on paralletes, eight kettlebell swings (1.5/2 pood) and 12 GHD sit-ups. Every rep would be counted to determine a final score.

Before the WOD, many female athletes said they could not do strict handstand push-ups, so the scoring system was altered. The women had to complete a minimum of one strict HSPU or they would be marked with a DNF. If they chose to scale the WOD after that by using kipping HSPUs, no additional reps in the WOD counted toward their final score.

When the first women's heat started, it was 2007 Games champ Jolie Gentry who dominated. Gentry is a machine when it comes to body-weight movements and was able to complete the HSPU and notch a score of 103--51 points above Jenny Olson. Laura DeMarco, Tamara Holmes and Lauren Pryor were listed DNF.

When asked how she did with the WOD, Crystal Mcreynolds was blunt: "Not so hot. I don't practice strict handstand push-ups, so it's my fault. I wasn't prepared."

Mcreynolds completed enough HSPUs to avoid a DNF but not enough to score more than two points. She thought the HSPUs were a good idea but would have tweaked the programming slightly.

"Honestly I think that the females should have gotten to kip the whole workout," she said. "Even then it would have separated us... but it wouldn't have been as discouraging."

Icelander Annie Thorisdottir found the HSPU to her liking.

"They were OK," she said. "I thought they would have been more difficult. I've never done them with bars (parallettes)."

Interestingly, Thorisdottir had never done GHD sit-ups and learned how to do them shortly before the WOD.

"They were weird," she said. "I thought they were kind of funny."

When asked if the GHDs were challenging, the young Icelander smiled: "No."

The first men's heat put Jason Khalipa's massive delts and triceps on full display. The defending champ is as wide as a house and owned the HSPU and kettlebell swings. His score in the first heat was second best, with Patrick Burke finishing first.

The second women's heat produced more DNFs, narrowing the field by one more athlete--Sarah Dunsmore. The slight but energetic Dunsmore came into the WOD third overall but is now out of contention.

The winner: Kristan Clever with a high score of 153. Charity Vale was second at 148, and Gentry was third. The overall women's standings now find Tanya Wagner in first (47 points), Annie Thorisdottir in second (54) and Vale in third (71). Barring unforeseen developments, the World's Fittest Woman will be a 26-year-old phys. ed. teacher from Pennsylvania or a 19-year-old student from Iceland.

On the men's side, Patrick Burke finished first, with Khalipa and Mikko Salo tied for second. Overall leader Tommy Hackenbruck was ninth, setting up a hot race for the championship. The top of the overall standings are as follows: Hackenbruck (76), Salo (77) and Moe Kelsey (82). Steve Willis of Australia is also in the hunt with 91 points.

One WOD remains--and it has yet to be announced.

Next event: the Affiliate Cup final.

111 comments on this entry.

1. JENunez wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:36 PM

i wont be surprised if khalipa takes this again. that guy is an animal!!!

2. CityCaveman wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:37 PM

Best of luck Steve Willis! Australia is cheering for you!

3. Latham wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:38 PM

Annie is my new hero.

4. Maggie wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:38 PM

McReynolds is not marked DNF on the results...is that a typo??

5. Jacques replied to comment from JENunez...

July 12, 2009 1:38 PM

The point spread is so tight! Salo and Willis have been steady throughout. Khalipa is too far behind in the points.

6. Kizzee wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:39 PM

If the rankings that MB posted in the "The Games Continue" section are correct.. (the re-ranking of the final 16.. just ranking each other according to the top 16 performances) then Jason Khalipa would be winning going into the FINAL WOD..

Thanks MB for doing that.

Jason Khalipa (39)
Mikko Salo (43)
DJ Wickham (47)
Tommy Hackenbruck (51)
Moe Kelsey (53)
Steve Willis (53)
Blair Morrison (55)
Jeff Leonard (55)
Spencer Hendel (57)
Patrick Burke (59)
James FitzGerald (61)
Peter Egyed (63)
Jeremy Thiel (67)
Sveinbjorn Sveinbjornsson (68)
Michael FitzGerald (71)
David Millar (72)

note: I did not check MB's ranking to see if it was accurate.

7. Ed replied to comment from JENunez...

July 12, 2009 1:40 PM

It is mathematically impossible for Khalipa to win, because of the flaky scoring system.

8. JENunez wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:43 PM

where you guys getting all these scores? the only way im keeping up to date is by what i read in the comments being posted

9. Shane S replied to comment from Ed...

July 12, 2009 1:44 PM

Yup. Mathematically only the top 4 guys are able to pull off a win.

10. Jacques replied to comment from JENunez...

July 12, 2009 1:44 PM

At the top of the games page it says Live Scores for men and women, you can see the point tally there.

11. Beth replied to comment from Maggie...

July 12, 2009 1:46 PM

It's my guess she did 2 strict HSPU and then kipped the rest...so nothing else counted.

12. d wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:49 PM

Should the live radio work atm?. Please stop making your own scoring, it only makes this look bad in the eyes of the people getiing into it. There was some flaws, but which sport didn't have them?
Is the last wod on now?

13. Maggie replied to comment from Beth...

July 12, 2009 1:50 PM

That's what I figured too...in the article they reported her as a DNF...just don't want them saying our girl was DQ if she wasn't! =)

14. Drew D replied to comment from Ed...

July 12, 2009 1:50 PM

It is a bit disappointing. Because of the way people were eliminated from the first two events on, people that did poorly in the first few events (like Khalipa, 72 place on the run!), it makes it almost impossible to even get into the top 5 now.

Khalipa has two first place scores and 2 second place scores going into the last event, but cannot even crack into the top 3 because of the weight of the first event.

I'm not criticizing any ranking or point system, I just think it's disappointing that certain events totally eliminated competitors that could have been top 10 on almost all the other events.

15. Matt D_CFC wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:51 PM

Does anyone have information on how the competitors who DNF'd will be ranked?

16. Richard wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:54 PM

No one's mathematically eliminated, if the top contenders DNF, then there will be space for one of the lower ranked athletes to move up. Not likely, but not impossible.

17. JENunez wrote...

July 12, 2009 1:57 PM

they should have kept the same structure as last years. all these should have been timed events to where the final wod determines who wins by whoever finishes first. not a big fan of the point structure

18. AL replied to comment from Drew D...

July 12, 2009 2:01 PM

Well Drew_D it is dissapointing. It's disappointing that you think someone who placed 72nd on the run should even be considered for top 3 FITTEST men on the plannet.

19. Lehti wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:01 PM

Any info on what the last WOD is?

20. gregorychang wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:04 PM

looks like the last chance qualifiers gave some a new lease of life.

21. R wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:04 PM

This is about overall ability and yes it is unfortunate that stars like Jason who can dominate in some events are out of the race but they clearly lacked in certain areas. The top guys have been consistent throughout every event and that should be rewarded.

22. Lol wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:05 PM

Ahh yes, the most elite female athletes are not able to do one single regular push-up. Also, if mikko had 10 more pounds on his deadlift, he'd be way ahead right now.

23. Johnnycarbs wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:06 PM

I think that if Jason Khalipa would of got at least 50th place (about 8min.faster) instead of 72 place in the run (the 1st event) he would be in 4th place right now & have a chance at the title again . . . . That being said he has had the most top placings out of the 7 events so far ! WAY TO REP. NOR-CAL JASON!

24. tomh wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:07 PM

I would agree, an athlete that gets 72nd is hard pressed to be considered among the top 3. No disrespect, he'd kick my arse for sure. That said, if you can't run among the big dogs - - that's on you.

25. christine replied to comment from Ed...

July 12, 2009 2:09 PM

"Flakey scoring system"..???? Come on. It looks like Kalipa should have been a little less flakey in his training runs.

DREW, who cares where Kalipa placed in ALL the other events? He can't run. He deserved to lose. PERIOD.

26. Tim Wyatt wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:11 PM

Joe, I agree... This is a test over two days. Whether the run was first or last, you have to score high to win. Jason is great, and I bet he's not complaining...they all had to run, and they all had to lift, and by the time it comes to the last event you should only have a few left in contention. Until at the end there will be ... last man standing!

27. Bzy wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:12 PM

It is inexcusable for one of the final events to be one that most women cannot do. These women are beasts. They deserve a WOD that is doable. This was clealy geared to male competitors. That many DNFs from the top qualifiers should have been. A clue that this event needed to be revised. Running and deadlifts is one thing.
Some of the very best athletes were taken out of the running because. After all their training. I'm sorry for them.
Otherwise the events were well planned. This was a mistake.

28. Kevin wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:13 PM

Khalipa is an animal and I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. However, he finished second to last on the run. You can't come in second to last on any of the events, whether it's with 74 or 16 people and still win. It's virtually impossible. The guy who finished 1st on the run (Speal) finished 71st on the deadlift, and therefore won't win the Games (although I was really hoping he would).

The scoring system is not what's eliminating people from contention to win the CF Games; the people beating those people is what's eliminating people from contention.

29. C wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:14 PM

It was handstand push-ups, not regular push-ups.

30. Shane S replied to comment from Bzy...

July 12, 2009 2:17 PM

The Games competitors should be able to do Main site WODs as rx'd. And handstand pushups are rx'd on the main site very frequently.

31. Dave replied to comment from Johnnycarbs...

July 12, 2009 2:22 PM

Finishing 17 minutes behind the leader should be a big deal though. Also, if Mikko Dl'ed just 10 more lbs, under this format he would have received a "1" instead of a "17" and these games would be over. In my opinion, he has been incredibly consistant, and exactly the kind of athlete who should win this contest. The guy finished 2nd in the run, then DL's 495...wow!!! That being said,Khalipa's performance yesterday on the 5th WOD was STARTLING!!! Unreal..truth is all these guys are unbelievable.

32. s wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:22 PM

My opinion, this all should of been scored by time. For a work out such as DL, each rep counts 30 sec off your total time. Someone runs 48 min run, they complete 10 DL they get 5 mins off there total time. It could even things out, Khalipa who finshed all the deads would of gained time and someone such as Sealer who placed poorley would loose some of the lead he possesed. It would make today a lot more interesting for all 16 competitors.

33. steve wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:22 PM

This scoring system is the only legitimate way to find out who is the best overall competitor in these events. If you don't believe a certain event should weigh as heavily as others, then you are missing the whole point of CrossFit. The way it is working out right now, you have one final WOD to determine a VERY CLOSE 1st 2nd and 3rd in men's and a close 1st and 2nd in women's. WHAT MORE COULD YOU ASK FOR?!?!

Good job with the scoring system, HQ!

34. Ben wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:24 PM

Yeah, Khalipa finished near last in one competition, so he probably doesn't deserve to win. On the other hand, Hackenbruck has finished in the bottom half of of the first two events today. Shouldn't the Crossfit champ do better than bottom half? I'd say if he can't finish in the top half of the top 16 athletes, then he shouldn't be #1.

35. Wayne wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:29 PM

Chart of the Men after 6. This clearly shows how important placing well in the first few events were:

36. Bzy replied to comment from Shane S...

July 12, 2009 2:31 PM

Them main page WODs never list weights for women when they offer proscribed events. They aren't geared to women.
These aren't weak women. They are the top qualifiers who deserved a chance to compete. Once they learned that so many couldn't do the element it should have been changed - to maybe elevated push-ups.
I'd like a poll of all of the female competitors to see how many could do this one element. I'd be shocked if it were more than 35%. That's not balanced.

37. Kevin replied to comment from Ben...

July 12, 2009 2:33 PM

"On the other hand, Hackenbruck has finished in the bottom half of of the first two events today. Shouldn't the Crossfit champ do better than bottom half? I'd say if he can't finish in the top half of the top 16 athletes, then he shouldn't be #1."

So, you're saying if he finished 8th (top half) instead of 9th THEN he would deserve it? I respectfully disagree on that one.

38. df replied to comment from Ben...

July 12, 2009 2:33 PM

That's why the true "Fittest Man in the World" is being determined on July 26, as he rides into Paris, France.

39. Wayne wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:34 PM

40. shacks replied to comment from df...

July 12, 2009 2:38 PM

poor guy, u clearly have no clue wat "fitness" means do u??? u think one of those bikers cod do anythin else physical apart from ride a bike..... i think not

41. tomh wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:38 PM

I think Ben has a valid point, but one objection. Suddenly, day one is being inappropriately minimized. The fact is, Hack killed (basically) everyone on the the last two workouts yesterday (including the top 16 crew). I understand the comment, but it is really narrowly focused - -blinders on.

42. Ben wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:38 PM

"So, you're saying if he finished 8th (top half) instead of 9th THEN he would deserve it? I respectfully disagree on that one."

I'm not saying that at all. Just because I say something isn't so, doesn't mean I think the opposite is so. I do think the guy who wins should do well against the top athletes. Looking at the numbers from today, Hackenbruck doesn't look like he's doing all that well against the best. If you think 9th out of 16 makes him the best, then that's your very peculiar opinion. To me, if he wins while actually not doing well against the top athletes, then there's a problem with the scoring system.

43. Andy wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:38 PM

For those of you saying khalipa can't run. He did well in the sandbag run and great in last years games run. He evidently had a cramp and I know I completely stop running if i cramp up. He has completely dominated every other event. Way to go Jason!

44. Ben wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:42 PM

BTW, no disrespect meant to anyone competing, these guys (and girls) can all destroy me, and I envy their fitness and dedication. But if my feedback helps Crossfit come up with a better scoring system next year, then I feel that is a good thing. We all want the same thing here, and that is for the best prepared, best trained, best overall across many domains, etc., to be the winner.

45. Shane S replied to comment from Bzy...

July 12, 2009 2:44 PM

Who cares if only 35% of women can do HSPU's? Less than 35% of CFers can pull 505#, does that make it unfair too? HSPU's are rx'd on the site. Therefore they should be able to do them. There are rx'd weights for females (185 for 225, 135 for 185, 65 for 95, and so forth).

46. Andy replied to comment from Ben...

July 12, 2009 2:44 PM

Agreed. I think this entire thing could have been solved with more bodyweight/gymnastics movements on the first day

47. El Pato wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:47 PM

I'm sorry but if these women canNOT do a single HSPU then something with THEM is wrong.

48. M Cleeton wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:48 PM

Way to go Moe! Your performance has been inspiring! Way to represent the NW!

49. James replied to comment from Andy...

July 12, 2009 2:49 PM

Khalipa was reported as having major cramps in his legs and assumingly was stopped for a while. Not that his cramps shouldn't count against him, it's part of athletics, but he would be right up at the top with a mid-pack finish.

50. steve wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:51 PM

this whole discussion is a direct result of our tendency (in this hyper modern culture) to completely forget about or disregard the importance of things that happened in the past. Yesterday's events STILL HAPPENED! Again, this is the ONLY way to legitimately find the best OVERALL athlete in these events.

You can knit-pick it all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. If you want some superhero champion to clean up in every event to make you feel better, go then take that one dude's advice and watch Lance in the Tour. I'm sure you'll fit right in. (don't forget the spandex)

51. jason wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:51 PM

Most people perform Xfit WODs using Headstand Pushups (HeSPUs), but ideally over time you work up to full full HSPU, with hands to shoulders on paralettes/rings/bars.

So even though they stuck plates under their heads, hats off to organizers for upping the ante. That isht is burly.

52. Andy wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:51 PM

As with the ladies that can't do a hspu, and spencer hendel.... If there had been a wod on saturday with hspu's and probably many other bodyweight exercises, they would be getting 70 points and not 16 points for finishing last. That's bad and a major flaw

53. El Pato replied to comment from Andy...

July 12, 2009 2:53 PM

54. Kevin replied to comment from Ben...

July 12, 2009 2:54 PM

"I do think the guy who wins should do well against the top athletes. Looking at the numbers from today, Hackenbruck doesn't look like he's doing all that well against the best. If you think 9th out of 16 makes him the best, then that's your very peculiar opinion."

Thanks for stating my very peculiar opinion, albeit incorrectly. Clearly, I'm not isolating the two events from today where he finished 9th as what 'makes him the best'. I agree with you that 'the guy who wins should do well against the top athletes'. He finished 1st and 2nd in the last two events yesterday.

"To me, if he wins while actually not doing well against the top athletes, then there's a problem with the scoring system." He's been doing well against the top athletes all weekend. Otherwise he wouldn't be leading the entire competition.

No disrespect whatsoever to you or anyone else.

55. Wayne wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:54 PM

Here's my proposal for an alternate scoring method. Each athlete gets a number based on their place in the field. Last gets 1, First gets 0. Thus, you still need to do well in each event -- the first events with a large field gives each athlete a chance to get a jump on their competitors. However, as the field gets whittled down to 16 competitors, the place becomes even more important.

Here's how the top 16 would look with this alternate scoring:

Khalipa, Salo, Willis, Hackenbruck and Moe Kelsey 1,2,3,4,5.

56. Ben wrote...

July 12, 2009 2:54 PM

#51 Yes, yesterday's events happened. The problem, as has been pointed out by many, is yesterday was weighted far more than today's events. The scoring system makes it so that for many of the athletes, today never really happened for all the effect on their chances of winning. Had the events today had the same weight as yesterdays, then we would be looking at a completely different list.

57. Anon wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:01 PM

Muscle-ups and double-under's in the final WOD - this should get rid of those pesky Bootcamp Icelanders so the Crossfit elites can wrap it up.

58. Andy wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:03 PM

This should have been a workout yesterday. Very comprehensive. Sounds awesome

59. Eida wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:04 PM

Wow. This last WOD is just brutal. Hang in there girls. And go Tanya!

60. Winchester replied to comment from Anon...

July 12, 2009 3:10 PM

July 12, 2009 3:11 PM

Kizzee, it looks like they have the scoring right then, since there's a greater disparity between the top competitors in your scoring system.

Just because Khalipa, Everett, Spealer and the rest of the favorites aren't in it at the end shouldn't take away from how close the competition is. Right now it looks like only 3 or 4 have a realistic chance of winning and the odds are that it's going to be whoever wins between Mikko and Tommy.

In your scoring system there are the same number of people who could realistically win it, but the names are different.

If Khalipa wanted more points on the run, he could have run faster.....

62. Wayne wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:13 PM

Off by one error in my calculations, updated chart here:

Would put it Khalipa, Salo, Willis, Hackenbruck and Wickham (edging out Moe Kelsey for 5th).

Ben, I'm with you, I think my proposal does a pretty good job of weighting each event the same. Any criticisms of this method?

63. steve replied to comment from Ben...

July 12, 2009 3:15 PM

Performing poorly in yesterday's events definitely did have a larger impact than performing poorly in today's, because of the smaller field of opponents, this is true.

However, as I'm sure the smarter competitors understood from the beginning, the winning strategy for the entire competition was to look at it as 8 WODs and not two days, one with 5 WODs and one with 3. If you look at it that way, then you see how the most capable athlete is going to be able to perform well against the field in ANY event, no matter how they are weighted nor how many competitors are left in the field. It is true, as in Khalipa's case, that a poor performance in an early event might make it virtually impossible to rebound into the lead, especially given the fact that later events don't allow for much "make-up" in points. But, in my opinion, this is a challenge of physicality, training, spirit, and perhaps most importantly, strategy.

In the Marines, we have a saying..."the Commandant's looking for hybrids". This scoring system truly reveals the hybrids here because at ANY given time, in ANY given event, against ANY given number of competitors, the winner was able to perform well enough to earn the his title as Most Fit. I'd rather have a guy who can score a 5 in everything, than a guy who can score a 10 in some things and a 1 in others.

Sorry, kind of rambling...not much else to do here in Iraq...much respect to ALL!

64. Tim E wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:22 PM

65. Seattle Chris replied to comment from steve...

July 12, 2009 3:22 PM

I agree with you Steve, that you're better off finishing in the middle of the pack in every event, than vacillating to the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Wanting to change the scoring system is only discrediting what the top athletes have accomplished. We're in the last heat and still think it should be changed with only one point separating the top two competitors?

This scoring system that people are coming up with is only changing the names, not showing me a more level playing field. All of the athletes had the same opportunity to have the best scores, and the ones who have them should be commended. The fact that you didn't know their names until yesterday should not affect your perception of the scoring.

July 12, 2009 3:24 PM

Yes anon. Just like yourself.

67. Ed wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:25 PM

Running 7K is no more or less important than 1RM snatch. Each of the 8 WODs should count the same amount towards the final result. This did not happen. The scoring is poorly thought out.

68. Ed replied to comment from Seattle Chris...

July 12, 2009 3:28 PM

Nobody wants to change the scoring system. What's done is done. But we should not gloss over the flaws, or they will be repeated. Nobody is discrediting what the top competitors have accomplished. But all the athletes deserve better than such a half-baked scoring system.

69. Kelsey wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:30 PM

After reading the quotes from competitors and comments from those posting, it's Crystal Mcreynolds taking responsibility for herself when she said, "I don't practice strict handstand push-ups, so it's my fault. I wasn't prepared." - as opposed to blaming HQ for selecting a challenging movement, which shows she has class. (I'm saying this having never met her.)

I think folks are missing out on a chance to identify and improve their weaknesses by blaming HQ for selecting movements they aren't good at, or using a scoring method that put strong individuals and teams out of contention.

Yup, it's disheartening, when the WOD includes stuff you're not good at. But instead of walking away angry, I imagine Crystal will be motivated to never attend another Games without working on her handstand push-ups!

70. g wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:30 PM

Am I the only one who sees the difference in this year's games as the number of events? This wasn't different at all in substance - it was just more of the same. Sorry, not impressed CrossFit HQ.

71. Pat wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:36 PM

To set the record straight Khalipia did have major cramps during the long run. I saw him go down and it took several minutes for him to continue. At the time I saw him get up and continue I thought his games were over. It was truly inspiring to see him finish the first event. Watching him claw his way back into the top 16 was even more inspiring and his performance Sunday is unbelievable. While he will not win this year his efforts will be remembered by me while I suck wind during my everyday wod's!! NEVER QUIT, ALWAYS GIVE YOUR BEST!!

72. shacks wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:37 PM

i love how suddenly post event nearly every1 is an expert. seriously guys this has been the best games by a mile, just because speal, everett etc arent in the top 16 doesnt mean what your seeing competeing today are not true machines!! personally i think who ever does win this has every damn rite to say they are the fittest human walking this planet!!

and isnt that wat the games is about?

73. Paul wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:40 PM

Let me set the record straight. Mr. Khalipa did have cramps. He is also a poor runner who does not work his weaknesses enough, and it hurt him on this event.

His effort was not inspiring, he is not a hero, I am not crying as I type this. He clawed his way back in to the top 16 by doing what he is good at. Let's not forget - Mr. Khalipa was VERY strong BEFORE he found CF. No one qualified for the games who was 'built from scratch' by CrossFit as a strength program. NO ONE.

74. Ben wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:43 PM

#73, That's a strawman argument, I haven't seen one single perosn arguing that the system should have let Speal in the final 16, or Everett.

The issue is the weight of the Day 2 events compared to Day 1. All of these guys are beasts and deserve to be there, and no one is arguing that.

75. Andy replied to comment from Paul...

July 12, 2009 3:45 PM

Do a bit more research before bashing an amazing athlete. He is a great runner and proved it last year. There was a video post where he stated that he has been running A LOT, with hills. He's a stand up guy and not a poor runner. Had he not gotten cramps, he would have destroyed the competition.

76. lee wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:47 PM

Sorry andy I agree with Paul. The proof is in the pudding. Khalipa was poorly prepared and it cost him the games.

77. steve wrote...

July 12, 2009 3:47 PM

This is the same thing people were posting about before the games started in regards to the announcement that some competitors will be cut after two events. It's a defeatist attitude that in my opinion doesn't belong in physical training/competition. Those who created the scoring system obviously wanted athletes to look at the big picture, not each individual event. With this scoring method, you should be able to take a hypothetical parallel universe in which the Games' events are completely randomized and still come up with identical results (or at least near-identical). It's all about having the ability to perform the assigned task when it is assigned.

I understand that criticism and debate are healthy in order to make the games batter each year, but i don't understand why so many are being critical of the scoring system that was praised by so many before their favorite competitors didn't do as well as expected. Bottom line, athletes must take the scoring system into account when devising their strategy for the games. Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

Just a thought.

July 12, 2009 3:50 PM

Go Steve Willis! This is yours mate.

79. Andy replied to comment from lee...

July 12, 2009 3:51 PM

What the hell?? Poorly prepared? Cost him the games? He is in the top 7 and will probably finish top 5! That's an incredible accomplishment. He screwed up the running, I screw up workouts all the time because of one thing or another. I did 27 rounds of cindy one day and two weeks later did 21. People screw up and YES it is inspiring how he has come back. I can't imagine what it is like being there to watch it. That being said, everyone else is inspiring also, not just Jason.

80. lee replied to comment from steve...

July 12, 2009 3:55 PM

Sorry andy - but my my calculations only about 10% of these already great athletes are inspiring. The rest are just alpa's looking for a challenge.

There is a saying in the Middle East "If everyday was a sunny day we'd have a desert." Not EVERYONE can be inspiring - you crying wolf only make those that ARE inspiring less so.

Sorry mate.

81. Andy replied to comment from lee...

July 12, 2009 4:00 PM

That saying may apply to everyone that does crossfit. Sorry, but yeah I find that whoever can qualify and make it to the games is very inspiring to me.

82. Ed replied to comment from steve...

July 12, 2009 4:01 PM

"With this scoring method, you should be able to take a hypothetical parallel universe in which the Games' events are completely randomized and still come up with identical results (or at least near-identical)."

The scoring system fails your hypothetical test. Shuffle the order of the 8 events so the run is today and the snatch was yesterday. Would the scoring be the same? Absolutely not.

83. Mike Erickson replied to comment from Paul...

July 12, 2009 4:02 PM

"Pauly Mac"
This would be you?: http://www.knbr.com/pages/murphandmac

Jason Khalipa is NOT a poor runner, anymore than Greg Amundson. That run was also not your typical run, I doubt even your top cross country runner would beat Spealer on this run. As far as "built from scratch" CFer's, they're coming out of the kids program.

Jason Khalipa is a very genuine and dedicated athlete and trainer and a simply awesome competitor which he has proved in these games. He should go away from these games feeling very good about himself as having fully validated last years 1st place finish. He may have simply had a case of the nerves in the first event as defending champion.

84. e wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:05 PM

Go Tanya(Crossfit Apex) Go!

85. Paul replied to comment from Mike Erickson...

July 12, 2009 4:12 PM

Sorry dude. there were 71 people BETWEEN Speal and Khalipa. Finishing next to last makes his poor and in hindsight, cost him the crown.

Massage it all you want.

86. steve replied to comment from Ed...

July 12, 2009 4:15 PM

I'm not talking about shuffling the results from these games and recomputing the totals based on the weighting of the events. I'm talking about taking the same individuals and giving them the tasks in a different order. You can see by the rankings and results that the top competitors would not have been greatly affected by the different weighting of the events because of the ranks in which they finished. So again, if you ask this group of individuals to complete these tasks--no matter the order--today's winner is the one most likely to do so better than the rest. Again, think BIG PICTURE. I guarantee you that's what the Games officials did.

87. Khalipa fan club wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:17 PM

Here's how my weighted standings would look if only Jason Khalipa competed:


This proves that Khalipa is the fittest by far!

88. Mike Erickson replied to comment from Paul...

July 12, 2009 4:22 PM

You clown, you ignore everything I said. That run was not representative of Jason's running ability or his fitness as proved by his past performances and the rest of the wods in this competition. You want to dump on him, go ahead, I'll be happy to ignore you.

89. MB replied to comment from Ed...

July 12, 2009 4:26 PM

"Shuffle the order of the 8 events so the run is today and the snatch was yesterday."

This makes my original point crystal clear. If the run was today, Khalipa would have gotten 16 points instead of 72 points. This would reduce his score by 56 points, clearly giving the run substantially less weight. Now maybe the Games organizers wanted today's workouts to have less weight. If they did, then the scoring system is fine as it is. If they didn't, the scoring system is flawed.

90. MBS Jeremy wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:26 PM

Look as my coach says all the damn time... Crossfitters are versitile!! Hence the 10 aspects of fitness... Not only should WE be able to lift high weights fast, but able to run... I mean that's why we have WOD's like "Murph" or "run a 5k" Quit complaining about the scoring and go judge gymnastics.

91. Alfie wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:26 PM

Tanya Wagner won! Congratulations Tanya!

92. Eida wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:30 PM

Absolutely incredible Tanya.

93. MB replied to comment from MBS Jeremy...

July 12, 2009 4:32 PM

MBS Jeremy,

I'm not complaining. I'm making an observation of fact.

94. steve wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:36 PM

It's 2:35 am over here and all this thinking is frying my brain.

Wish I could have been there, sounds like it was a great time. Congratulations to everyone who competed and to CFHQ for what seems to have been a great year for the games!

July 12, 2009 4:54 PM

"I doubt even your top cross country runner would beat Spealer on this run."

You're joking, right? Do you know anything about running?

96. Eric E wrote...

July 12, 2009 4:59 PM

I'm a huge Speal fan, but it's insane to say that a real XC runner couldn't beat him on that run- remember that the whole point of Crossfit is that we don't specialize. From Coach on down, nobody in the CFHQ or the community in general is making the claim that a Crossfitter can beat a specialist at the specialist's event, but that the crossfitter will destroy the specialist at any other event. I doubt Speal would have finished within 10 min of a true XC runner, even taking into account the hills on that course- but no chance in hell is the XC runner going to be able to compete with Speal at any other physical task in any other time domain.

97. Andy replied to comment from Shane S...

July 12, 2009 5:00 PM

Heh, do you know anything about Speal? He is an extremely fast paced runner.

98. Andy wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:04 PM

So both Thiel and OPT not finishing the last wod. Why did OPT withdraw?

99. Shane S replied to comment from Andy...

July 12, 2009 5:14 PM

Of course Speal is a good runner. But it is absolutely moronic to suggest that he could have beaten a "top cross country runner." Do you realize that people have run up Pike's Peak way faster than the winning time on Saturday, and managed to keep that pace for another 20 miles?
Even if there were a monstrous 3000' of elevation gain on that course (there was likely well under 1000'), most top trail runners could easily manage sub-33 on that course, with the best being able to go well under 30 minutes. Heck, get Matt Carpenter on that course and he'd probably finish around 26 minutes. And on a 7.1k course, that is head and shoulders above Speal's best. What prompted you to make such a ridiculous statement?

100. Eric E wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:25 PM

Here is a somewhat similar event, an 8k off road race on a very hilly course. The winner of the race ran a 30:34. That's on an 8k course. Obviously this comparison is apples and oranges because it's not an identical course with identical weather, but it does demonstrate the faster pace of a running specialist.

I think we crossfitters lose credibility when we "oversell" the results of the program and suggest that our elite generalists can beat elite specialists in a specific competition. The way to win more people into our ranks is to demonstrate our overall competence at a very wide range of physical tests, which the Crossfit Games do perfectly, but to boast that our best can beat specialists makes us look silly and myopic. Is someone now going to suggest than Khalipa can out-squat Dave Tate? Of course not, but can Dave Tate complete a wallball/hang snatch couplet as quickly as Khalipa?

We need to all realize where our strength lies in the crossfit community and not get too carried away with what is outside of our scope.

101. Eric E wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:28 PM

Sorry, I forgot to post the link of that race I referenced. Remember that this is just some random race in Oregon and not an elite level pro race where the pace would even demonstrate more of a difference.

Event: http://www.gltrunforthehills.com/ WFS
Results: http://gltrunforthehills.com/2009%20resultsa%20overall.pdf WFS

102. Rickard wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:30 PM

Did Mikko take it all? He only needed to win the last workout, right?

103. Andy replied to comment from Shane S...

July 12, 2009 5:44 PM

Haha, point taken. Another way for us to gain more followers is if people like you weren't such an ass on here. Speal is fast. He definitely could not beat an ELITE runner. I didn't know you were talking about the best of the best. My mistake. You obviously know a lot more than me about running. Pardon my ignorance

104. JamesS wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:46 PM

Erm, it looks as though Mikko Salo is the champion - not that you'd know it from the official Twitter feed. He's been in the top five throughout (and actually won that final event) but no comment on him and no picture of him. This has been the case throughout the two days. Why? Because he's not North American?

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I suspect I'm not.

105. JamesS wrote...

July 12, 2009 5:48 PM

Btw, that result is my calculation - not official.

106. TMax replied to comment from JamesS...

July 12, 2009 6:05 PM

Agreed, official twitter feed was rubbish... tommy this khalipa that and not a word about Mikko who won that WOD and the whole competition..

107. Kevin replied to comment from TMax...

July 12, 2009 6:24 PM

Yeah, but bang-up job on the video(s). One 3 minute recap of one of eight wods over two days with 175 competitors. I felt like I was right there. Thanks Sevan!

108. Anne-Marie replied to comment from Shane S...

July 12, 2009 6:34 PM

Shane, I absolutely agree with you...Track and Field athletes don't go do the hurdles with lower hurdles 'cause they can't make it. Swimmers don't substitute freestyle for butterfly 'cause they can't do it. Rx'd is great for anyone, but not for the top competitors of the "games"!

109. Adrian replied to comment from Kelsey...

July 13, 2009 2:27 AM

I agree completely. I bet all the female competitors next year will blitz the HSPUs. J Khalipa will run twice as fast. And the CFit team will devise some dastardly workout that only the elite can complete. Lovin' the Games. Go Steve.

110. Blair Lowe wrote...

July 13, 2009 11:09 PM

To note, the HSPU on the parallettes were not full ROM. You may think I'm bitching about this but I'm not because all athletes were held to the same standard more or less.

With the weightplates stacked up, the females were required to do a HeSPU/HSPU to just below head height because there were 4 25lb bumpers stacked up. It was a little lower for the men. I liked that they all had to use the same parallettes as this meant they all roughly had to use the same spacing.

Tough shit if you can't do them. It's obviously a weakness just like much of the women's shitty oly lifting in the randy/wallball and max snatch.

111. Ben P wrote...

July 14, 2009 1:31 PM

How the hell do you do a kipping HSPU? Can't find a video on this one anywhere...